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	<title>Comments on: Thinking about duels and violent gentlemen</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Mazella</title>
		<link>http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/emn/index.php/archives/2005/08/thinking-about-duels-and-violent-gentlemen/#comment-58048</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Mazella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try looking at Linda Pollock&#039;s work, esp. &quot;Honor, gender and reconciliation in elite culture, 1570-1700&quot;. Journal of British Studies, vol. 46, Jan 2007.  She focuses mostly on the social pressures that allowed men NOT to duel, even when circumstances might suggest an offense had taken place.  DM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try looking at Linda Pollock&#8217;s work, esp. &#8220;Honor, gender and reconciliation in elite culture, 1570-1700&#8243;. Journal of British Studies, vol. 46, Jan 2007.  She focuses mostly on the social pressures that allowed men NOT to duel, even when circumstances might suggest an offense had taken place.  DM</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t have it already Smollett gives his opinion of duelling in the French army and in general here:

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/s/smollett/tobias/travels/chapter15.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t have it already Smollett gives his opinion of duelling in the French army and in general here:</p>
<p><a href="http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/s/smollett/tobias/travels/chapter15.html" rel="nofollow">http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/s/smollett/tobias/travels/chapter15.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Orchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting work. I am working on, among other things, pamphlets about Royalist pickpockets in the 1640s and 1650s but also on those bored soldiers called The Hectors who were involved in serious violent behavior at the same time. Lots of bloody heads and broken limbs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting work. I am working on, among other things, pamphlets about Royalist pickpockets in the 1640s and 1650s but also on those bored soldiers called The Hectors who were involved in serious violent behavior at the same time. Lots of bloody heads and broken limbs!</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sharon.  Another very useful resource is http://www.fencingbibliography.com/
Contains a number of works on the duel as a phenomenon as well.
Perry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sharon.  Another very useful resource is <a href="http://www.fencingbibliography.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fencingbibliography.com/</a><br />
Contains a number of works on the duel as a phenomenon as well.<br />
Perry</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/emn/index.php/archives/2005/08/thinking-about-duels-and-violent-gentlemen/#comment-6149</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sharon,
I don&#039;t know if it might help you in your work but there is a brant new book about duel in early modern France: Pascal Brioist&#039;s Croiser le fer. If you want a more complet bibliography (and if you read French of course), just ask so.
Benjamin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sharon,<br />
I don&#8217;t know if it might help you in your work but there is a brant new book about duel in early modern France: Pascal Brioist&#8217;s Croiser le fer. If you want a more complet bibliography (and if you read French of course), just ask so.<br />
Benjamin</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/emn/index.php/archives/2005/08/thinking-about-duels-and-violent-gentlemen/#comment-4648</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sharon
McBane&#039;s full title is
&quot;The Expert Sword-man&#039;s Companion; or the True Art of Self-Defence. With all Account of the Author&#039;s Life and his Transactions during the Wars with France. To which is annexed, The Arts of Gunnerie. Illustrated with 22 etched copper plates. By Donald McBane. Published Glasgow, 1728.&quot; It was reprinted a year or two ago in an anthology under ISBN 1-891448-15-3

Haven&#039;t come across that book you mentioned but it&#039;s pretty well past the period I&#039;m working in (17th c Spain and France).
Perry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sharon<br />
McBane&#8217;s full title is<br />
&#8220;The Expert Sword-man&#8217;s Companion; or the True Art of Self-Defence. With all Account of the Author&#8217;s Life and his Transactions during the Wars with France. To which is annexed, The Arts of Gunnerie. Illustrated with 22 etched copper plates. By Donald McBane. Published Glasgow, 1728.&#8221; It was reprinted a year or two ago in an anthology under ISBN 1-891448-15-3</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t come across that book you mentioned but it&#8217;s pretty well past the period I&#8217;m working in (17th c Spain and France).<br />
Perry</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Perry. Must confess I&#039;d never heard of McBane before, I&#039;ll look into that, and see if I can contact Jean Marshall later. 

And will just add that I&#039;ve just seen a review of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://philobiblion.blogspot.com/2006/01/duel-family-and-social-history.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt; over at Philobiblon - sounds like a less &quot;academic&quot; treatment (and focuses on the end of duelling, so not so useful for me) but still interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Perry. Must confess I&#8217;d never heard of McBane before, I&#8217;ll look into that, and see if I can contact Jean Marshall later. </p>
<p>And will just add that I&#8217;ve just seen a review of a <a href="http://philobiblion.blogspot.com/2006/01/duel-family-and-social-history.html" rel="nofollow">book</a> over at Philobiblon &#8211; sounds like a less &#8220;academic&#8221; treatment (and focuses on the end of duelling, so not so useful for me) but still interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning all
Ellie, may I reccommend Carl Thimm&#039;s &quot;A Complete Bibliography of Fencing and Duelling (1896)&quot;, Arthur Wise&#039;s &quot;The Art and History of Personal Combat&quot; (1971) and Chris Amberger&#039;s &quot;The Secret History of the Sword&quot; (1998) which while idiosyncratic is fascinating including its rare (in English) treatment of modern German fraternal duelling, which the auther has experienced.


Sharon.  Another person to get hold of is my collaborator Jean Marshall in History at Oxford who&#039;s doing her doctorate on this sort of this at the moment.

I must say I remain unconvinced that, particularly in the early early-modern the boundaries between pre-arranged and spntaneous violence or between social equals or unequals were as firm as it may seem.  Have you read Donald McBane&#039;s autobiography, a soldier and pimp in Marlbrough&#039;s army, he deals with these kinds of issues.

Perry 
University of kwaZulu-Natal
Durban
South Africa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning all<br />
Ellie, may I reccommend Carl Thimm&#8217;s &#8220;A Complete Bibliography of Fencing and Duelling (1896)&#8221;, Arthur Wise&#8217;s &#8220;The Art and History of Personal Combat&#8221; (1971) and Chris Amberger&#8217;s &#8220;The Secret History of the Sword&#8221; (1998) which while idiosyncratic is fascinating including its rare (in English) treatment of modern German fraternal duelling, which the auther has experienced.</p>
<p>Sharon.  Another person to get hold of is my collaborator Jean Marshall in History at Oxford who&#8217;s doing her doctorate on this sort of this at the moment.</p>
<p>I must say I remain unconvinced that, particularly in the early early-modern the boundaries between pre-arranged and spntaneous violence or between social equals or unequals were as firm as it may seem.  Have you read Donald McBane&#8217;s autobiography, a soldier and pimp in Marlbrough&#8217;s army, he deals with these kinds of issues.</p>
<p>Perry<br />
University of kwaZulu-Natal<br />
Durban<br />
South Africa</p>
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		<title>By: Early Modern Notes &#187; AHA links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Early Modern Notes &#187; AHA links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Early Modern Notes &#187; A duel?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Early Modern Notes &#187; A duel?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Following on from my earlier thoughts about duels, I have taken a quite long and detailed deposition from the files and rather than just pasting it in, I&#8217;ve turned it into a first-person narrative in modern English so you can read the story more easily.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Following on from my earlier thoughts about duels, I have taken a quite long and detailed deposition from the files and rather than just pasting it in, I&#8217;ve turned it into a first-person narrative in modern English so you can read the story more easily.) [...]</p>
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